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Brian Lehrer appears in the following:. Host Brian Lehrer hears from reporters and callers from New York and New Jersey about the voting, campaigning and what comes next. Join the national conversation Thursday nights during Biden's first days. This week, the series concludes with a look back at what's been accomplished and where we go from here.

This week: Earth Day and Racial Equity. And I have to say, an electric bicycle is a motorcycle. Today, after COVID, they're like wagon trains with groceries, and now they're not going up and down both ways. Lehrer: Charles, what do you think the policy — what do you think the policy fix is, if you have one in mind, Charles. Question: I think they should be licensed. They're not used to the city. They're not — you know, riding in the city is an experience, and it takes a lot of experience to ride Manhattan safely.

Lehrer: That's right. Charles, I'm going to leave it there. Mayor, you know, it's becoming a new world out there between the proliferation of e-bikes and Revel scooters and all this other stuff. Does it require a different kind of policy response? Mayor: Yeah, I think it does. And I think, you know, I'm going to say this, I hope, carefully and wisely, that there's almost become a dogmatism about this that I think is a little dangerous.

I appreciate what Charles is saying. He's reflecting reality as people are living it. And I actually start from pedestrians. I start from, you know, families, seniors, kids, and I worked my way up through bicycles, to then motorized, you know, bikes, scooters, etcetera, and on up to the car. My attitude is we need to start by protecting spaces for people who walk and cross streets and be sensitive there.

And that when we tried to move towards a smarter approach, because it is getting more and more crowded, and it is, you know, these mix of speeds. Charles makes a great point. It's a really interesting, challenging reality if you're, sort of, crossing that or trying to engage that. We should talk about what needs to be licensed. We should talk about requirements for helmets.

We should talk about all these things. And there are some folks out there who really support bicycling who sometimes, I think, get affronted by that conversation. I don't think it's an affront. I think it's a recognition that this is a lot more of the future. I want to see a future where fewer and fewer people use individual automobiles.

I want to see fewer trucks on our streets. I want to see a greener reality, but there's nothing wrong with having some more rules and protections in place. And we should just be able to have that conversation and find some common ground out of it. I think we will. I think we can. Lehrer: All right. I guess that's going to be a conversation for the next mayor.

And, in fact, now that the election is over and you're officially in a transition period with Eric Adams, I wanted to ask you, how does that work? And what did you learn from your transition from Mayor Bloomberg about how to do it and maybe how not to do it to help the new administration coming in? Mayor: Well, first of all, with all due respect to Mayor Bloomberg — and everyone knows there's areas where I agreed with him in areas where I really didn't, but we were not personally close.

We didn't communicate that much. Eric Adams and I have been talking constantly. And, to his great credit, he has been extraordinarily inquisitive and thoughtful in his questions about the day-to-day workings of City government and how to make it work best. Also, I think that is far superior to what I experienced. The teams, obviously — and this is the virtue of people coming from the same political party and a lot of the same history — a lot of us know each other. There's been constant dialogue.

And I think it's been a very good process. I think Eric has a tremendous head start, because he knows the city so well, and he's worked at not only the local level, he's worked at the State level as a State Senator.

So, he comes in with a huge body of knowledge already. But what I'm finding is, the best way to do it is, sort of, we're constantly talking about the issues before us right now, and, you know, running different scenarios, if you will, about, sort of, how things are happening now, what it's going to look like next year.

And just that — that preparation is really, really healthy. Lehrer: Well, let me ask you about one of those issues, because Adams is starting to lay out a few possessions that will be different from yours, by the sound of him. And one that made some news this week is his plan to restore the plainclothes anti-crime units that you disbanded at the NYPD after their outsized role in police shootings.

When Commissioner Shea announced the end of those units last year, the New York Times described them as having been involved in some of the city's most notorious police shootings.

And they gave some examples. Do you want to urge the Mayor-elect not to restore those units? Mayor: Look, no one understands public safety better than Eric Adams, in everything he's done in his life as an elected official, as an officer — a police officer for over 20 years, as a police reformer. We have a really respectful difference on this. I think Commissioner Shea was right and I really want to give him credit.

It was his decision to disband that unit for a lot of reasons. And I've talked about this, Brian, but, you know, it's not going to shock you when we get into a little deeper conversation, a lot of things don't survive, kind of the blurring headline.

Commissioner Shea, who has been at this work now for, you know, most of 30 years, he felt that the unit as constructed was not only creating a disconnect with communities, and ill will, and some bad incidents, he thought it was also not the best way to get guns off the street and the best way to have successful prosecutions. And he wanted more of those officers in uniform — same talented officers, doing the work a different way.

That happened and gun arrests have gone up up, up. We have the highest level of gun arrests in 25 years. So, I think he was right. I stand by him. He was right. But beyond that, he's also said he does not — the Mayor-elect said he does not want to repeat the mistakes of that unit in the past. He would structure it differently. And so, I respect that choice. We have a respectful difference, but I also respect that he's not trying to repeat what was, he's trying to create something new within it.

Question : Hi, how you doing? Good morning. My first question to the Mayor is, are you concerned that many officers will leave the NYPD and go to Suffolk County Police Department due to the fact there is no vaccine mandate and currently they're hiring officers. Did you investigate and will you let Brian Lehrer know the outcome of the investigation? Mayor : Well, on the second point, I don't actually know what you're specifically talking about, but I'd be happy to look into it and we'll get you a real specific answer.

If you'd please give your information to WNYC, we'll follow up with you today. It's the most renowned police force in the country, even the world, tremendous profession, tremendous benefit.

People who come to the NYPD make that choice. And that number is going to go up substantially because as these reasonable accommodation requests get adjudicated, I'm absolutely certain a lot of people are going to end up deciding to get vaccinated. Some folks may go elsewhere. So, I think a few may — you know, a small number may retire.

Some may go elsewhere, but overwhelmingly, we already see the trajectory, the vast majority of folks vaccinated and staying. Lehrer : Well, Commissioner Shea has said 6, officers are seeking vaccine mandate exemptions. So, are you concerned that there could be a staffing shortage if a lot of these officers get denied? Mayor : In the scheme of things, no. And I'll tell you why. First of all, we have a lot of history from what we've done up to now with our health care workers, with our Department of Education employees.

Clearly most people who put in the request don't meet the criteria. The health care exemption is a very specific criteria. The religious exemption clearly have to have a really clearly defined belief structure that, you know, has a lot of history to it and not something that just popped into your mind recently. Most people who've asked for accommodation don't meet those standards historically. Anyone who does, they'll keep working. Lehrer : Right, but I think the concern is if a lot of them do get denied that then they would leave the department because they couldn't go back to work with their exemption.

Mayor : No, I want to clarify. This is different than what we experienced with the schools, because the schools was its own very particular setting because of kids and everything else we were dealing with in the school buildings. You can receive an exemption, not end up having to be vaccinated, validly, and continue to work in uniform service in the appropriate setting.

So, I think for those who do get the exemption, they'll continue to be serving in our first responder agencies. For folks who don't, I think the vast majority will then get vaccinated.

That's my point. We've seen this pattern constantly. When folks come to the realization that they have exhausted their appeals and options, overwhelmingly they choose to get vaccinated. In the end, will a small number of people, either resign or retire? Probably, but a small number.

And anyone we lose will be replaced quickly because there are more police and fire academy classes coming regularly. So, I really don't think it changes the fundamental reality. I hope everyone gets vaccinated, I hope they'll stay. But I think in the end, it's going to be a very small number that leaves. Question : Good day. I would like to ask the Mayor, these apartments that were rented by New York City landlords, the ones in the basement where people drowned, everything was flooded, they lost everything — I'd like to know as of today, what criminal charges have been lodged against these specific landlords in these buildings?

And I'd like to know who's looking at the New York City Department of Housing to see who okayed these buildings, claiming that they were safe? Mayor : Well, Ross, please give your information to WNYC and I'll have someone follow up the — because look, on the first question you asked, I don't know of criminal prosecutions, but there may be some, depending on the very specific situation. On the second point, the reality — and we've, I've spoken about this very, very openly — the reality is we have a big challenge in this city.

We've got — by the estimates of our housing agency, we've got over , apartments that are not currently legal and are not easily made legal, and that those apartments hold and house over , New Yorkers who, if they couldn't live in those apartments, would not necessarily have an option. This is a big fundamental problem with this city. To fix it is going to be billions of dollars and will take a number of years.

There is a potential series of things we could do to fix it. It will take very meticulous work. But, no, it's not that they were approved and then these horrible tragedies happen. I feel awful for everyone who lost a loved one, it was horrible. It was shocking and unprecedented. The problem is we've got a situation that's in plain sight — t's been that way for decades — that we don't have a solution for right now. We just literally don't have a solution. Mayor : I think that's a great point.



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